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Charles Carreon "Steven Seagal comes out of the buddhist
originally posted on american-buddhist.com
In 2002 Shambhala Sun, the shameful house organ of the Vajradhatu
mafia, published a pathetic softball interview of phony tulku Steven
Seagal. The interviewer in "Steven Seagal Speaks" feeds Seagal one easy
question after another, and never once follows up with a pointed
interrogation. The interviewer points out none of the obvious
contradictions in Seagal's flow of blather. I've read more incisive
interviews of Miss America.
There's a stink of piety and obeisance to the questions, which are
spiked with Trungpa-esque phrases like "finding your seat," which give
it that "insider" flavor. (See Trungpa's poem to Osel Tendzin urging
him to "find his seat." http://www.american-buddha.com/might.tired.htm)
Tendzin famously misfired while enjoying his seat, causing one of his
students, and the student's girlfriend, to die of AIDS. But he had such
a sunny disposition in the face of tragedy, that he is quoted as
saying, "Ladies and gentlemen, the point is not to live as long as
possible." Shambhala Sun has never covered the topic of Tendzin's
murders, imposing a complete blackout on this topic. Although Tendzin
is venerated by the Shambhaloids, who have reinvented him as a teacher
with a "provocative" style, there is no information about him on the
Shambhala Sun website, except for that one quote above, drawn from a
No, instead of real information about their crash-and-burn gurus, the
Shambhala Sun is working to shore up the reputation of Steven Seagal,
who dropped out of the sky like the meteor in David Spade's hilarious
sendup of redneck life, "Joe Dirt."
http://www.jackasscritics.com/movie.php?movie_key=52 .The Seagal
interview is by screenwriter Stanley Weiser ("Wall Street" 1989). His
Seagal interview is so soft-brained , I thought maybe he wrote "The
Karate Kid." It must be the air in Los Angeles; either that, or the
number of gurus that swing through the town.
Whatever the cause, Weiser takes Seagal seriously, as only a fellow
show-business person can. Willing suspension of disbelief is the key
here. Seagal swings from one contradictory statement to another. First
he says he was born with a spiritual bent, and that he's on earth only
to do good. Then he admits he suffered delusions of grandeur when he
was young, and now he understands things better. But his "better"
understanding is the same one he had when he was young -- that he needs
to achieve great spiritual wisdom to benefit human beings. He says he's
meditated a long time, but then admits tantra confuses him. He says he
wouldn't give a bribe to be called a tulku, but admits making large
donations to religious organizations. He claims he keeps his donations
secret, and complains that the press hasn't publicized his generosity.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's let the man speak for himself.
All quotes are accurate, though they have been rearranged in order to
Q: There are the recent reports that Penor Rinpoche has recognized you
as a tulku. Is that correct?
A: ... Well, first of all, this a recognition that people have been
telling me about for more than twenty years, people who have known me
in the dharma for a long time, long, long before Penor Rinpoche ever
In other words, "Yes, and it's long overdue."
I was born with a serious spiritual consciousness and for many years
studied different paths.
"You see, I've been spiritually advanced from birth, like all tulkus."
I was confused in my youth: I thought that if I could spiritually feed
myself to levels of great spiritual attainment then I could do greater
things in the world and it would be good for me and therefore good for
"I used to be impressed with my inborn wisdom-talent. Now I am beyond
any delusions involving self-importance."
I am here on this Earth for one thing and that is to see if I can
somehow serve humankind and ease the suffering of others.
"Like all of the Great Ones, my mission is healing."
It was something that I had always kept secret, and in fact denied.
"I have tried to hide my light from the world, actively concealing my
So if I denied it then, why would I bribe people for it now?
"For that matter, why would I now argue in favor of my divinity when I
have in the past denied it?"
I have traditionally donated large sums of money to many different
religious organizations ... in secret, but ... the press believes there
is no profit in reporting good deeds.
"You will find no record of my donations anywhere, both because I hate
publicizing good deeds, and because those damned reporters hate me."
[P]eople ...said to me that I am an incarnate lama, or tulku.
"You know, it's just something you get used to."
I was originally introduced to ... a handful of lamas who had come over
from Tibet [who] were sick and had been tortured. [W]hen the Khampas
were still fighting the Chinese and the CIA was helping them, and
because of the severe repression of the Tibetan people, I wanted to get
involved. ... it is probably best if we don't get into that. ...I
don't want to appear to be a dangerous revolutionary person.
"I supported violent resistance, but that's top secret, and bad for my
image. Nobody understands what it's like to be a secret agent
These were the years when my interest in Tibetan Buddhism flourished,
but my involvement in any of the spiritual endeavors and training
remained my personal business-not secret as some of the other things
were, but just private.
"I keep secrets, which are dark things I will not talk about. I also
keep things private, about which I am happy to tell you, because I must
use them as evidence of my long-time connection with all things
I very much wanted to be invisible in the dharma community, for a lot
of reasons. Only in the last few months have I come out of the closet.
"You won't be able to verify any of my claims, because like I said, it
was private, because I didn't want the attention. Now I want the
Penor Rinpoche basically recognized me as Kyung-drak Dorje, who was the
reincarnation of the translator Yudra Nyingpo.
"He didn't recognize me as Yudra Nyingpo, but he 'basically' recognized
me as this other guy, who was his reincarnation."
>From the time that I started going to India and meditating I did start
getting memories [of past lives] that were fairly unclear.
"Do not try to get any details out of me."
Just a few days ago ... a lama ... said to me ... "you have a very good
imprint of many strong past lives, and therefore your realization will
come more swiftly than some people's."
Q: What did he mean by that?
A: I can't really explain it.
"Many lamas kiss my ass. Perhaps they have heard about my secret
Of course, as you practice longer, you will develop some different
siddhis. But none of them really matters.
"For example, I am a huge man who could break your head with my fist.
It's not important."
... I have consistently said ... I don't believe it is very important
who I was in my last lives, I think it is important who I am in this
"Let's talk about something I know about, okay?"
I am not a highly realized being, I am not a great lama, I don't have
any great practice.
"All of the Great Ones deny being great. I fit the mold."
I am a very low person just trying to get to first base and the most
basic practice of a bodhisattva. I am starting humble memorizations,
meditations, and prayers.
"Of course, you already heard about the 27 years, the Tibetans
recognizing me as divine, and my special talents in meditation, so you
know this is just more of my humble schtick."
I have been doing serious meditation in my own pitiful way for probably
"Have another helping!"
Hopefully [by sitting with Trichen Rinpoche and Penor Rinpoche] I will
absorb some knowledge or wisdom....
"Name dropping really works with Tibetan Buddhists, so bombs away!"
Whenever I get too esoteric into the realms of tantric stuff, I get a
little bit lost.
"I just keep it simple. Like Elvis Costello said, 'What's so funny
'bout peace, love and understanding?'"
[T]he great obstacle was just a lack of understanding of the way.
"So glad I'm over that obstacle!"
[W]hen I was in Japan, people tried to deify me, and the reason I left
there was that deification is truly a death trap.
"A total dead end."
That is a reason why I kept my spiritual practice to myself in America.
"Once people realize you're divine, it's all over. They will deify you.
Didn't want to make the same mistakes here, so I just laid low."
I don't think deification has been one of my biggest problems in life
because I am lucky enough to have understood a long time ago what
adoration and power really are about.
"I've just learned to take it in stride. I'm huge, I'm handsome, I'm
rich. And on top of it all, I'm divine. The adulation is just part of
I have given teachings recently. Always on Buddha's teachings.
"If anyone will listen, I need the practice."
When I walk into a room some people see a dog, some people see a cow. I
am all of what they see. It is their perception.
"This sort of thing worked for Charlie Manson, why not for me? Just
talk bullshit and let it roll."
Buddhanature is in all of us, even in a mangy dog lying in the gutter
with fleas. That dog is Buddha to me.
"I heard that some guy named Naropa saw his guru as a dog. I been
thinkin' a lot about that."
The Dalai Lama has said to me to concentrate on bodhicitta.
"He knows I make movies in which I kill lots of people."
Q: The Dalai Lama gave you personal instructions about teaching?
A: I wouldn't say he has given me personal instructions about
"Just had to ask that, didn't you?"
I don't really care what other people think of me or say about me.
"I swear I never think about it."
Guru Rinpoche, the Lord Buddha and all the protectors, dakas and
dakinis [give me solace].
"Blondes, bucks, flashy cars, all mean nothing to me. What I want is
all stuff I can imagine in my head just as well without a dime in my
pocket. In fact, I'm about to give away all my stuff, I'm feeling so
solaced about it all."
I want to be able to feed the children who are starving and sick in
"But my arms aren't long enough."
We are also trying recently to do something for people with eye
problems in Tibet.
"That's me and some other people I can't mention."
Acting is an art ... art is the mother of religion; by becoming one
with ourselves and nature, one becomes one with god.
"This is my best shot at profundity. Watch that I don't drown."
[A]rt imitates life and its function should be a perfect and accurate
interpretation of the way life really is, in all of its emanations.
"I learned about emanations recently. I like to use the word, but maybe
this isn't the best way."
I am not saying that I am a great artist; I am probably a poor artist.
"It is fun to be honest sometimes."
I am an artist trying to perfect his craft, but at the same time I do
have feelings about violence.
"I am drowning. Please help me."
I was under a contract with Warner Brothers I could not get out of, and
what they wanted me for was the male action films.
"I agreed to kill people on film in exchange for millions, not
realizing I would someday want to pose as a man of peace. By the time
this tulku option opened up, I was stuck."
I was offered extraordinary sums of money by other studios to do
different types of movies and Warner Brothers would not let me.
"Yeah, like I was gonna do "Hamlet" for the BBC, and a special with the
Now that I'm out of that situation, ... the kinds of films I would
really like to do ... are spiritual in nature and ... will lead people
into contemplation and offer them joy.
"Yeah, I'm going to do a dinosaur special for Discovery Channel."
I am grateful for the ability that I have on the screen to bring people
happiness and joy and the ability that I will have in the future to
hopefully bring people into the path of contemplation.
"People have a lot of frustrations, and when my character breaks every
bone in a villain's body by slamming him against every protuberance on
a late-model BMW, then shoves him into the trunk and pushes the Beamer
off a high-rise parking structure, it releases those frustrations, and
that gives people joy. Then they can consider the path of
contemplation, and how they can only kick the shit out of their enemies
if they stay calm, like me."
I consider my worst enemies and my worst sufferings to be my greatest
teachers, so there is always another side to these negative forces.
"So people like AmbuFortuna and Odysseus do not bother me at all. In
fact, they are my greatest benefactors, because they show me how far I
have to go."